Opinions wanted from seasoned shooters

Supertayt said:
zimm said:
Walthers are junk. That's why I have a Smith & wesson m&p 22.
When I was shopping for my first carry weapon, someone tried selling me a Walther. I had never heard of them so I was hesitant. The choice was between a Walther and a Colt Defender. I chose the Colt because, it's a pretty famous name (plus it sounds cool). It doesn't seem like anyone likes the Walthers. Is it like a cheap Kimber knock off? I don't know anything about them.
It looks like I made the right decision.

Thanks, Now I am totally confused..I have been following this as I am looking at making my first carry purchase and was leaning toward the Walthers, with the Glock as my second option, now this... My funds are pretty limited so i want to get this right the first time.
 
Clifford04X said:
Supertayt said:
I haven't owned either of those brands. I've always heard that hi-point was better than Glock. Something about superior trigger feel or durability? I just need a gun I can keep in my bathroom and not worry if it'll fire or not.
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While this is off topic I'd probably pick the hi point over the walther. At least I would know to have a plan B.

:lol :lol    Hi Point is a Fiiiiiiiiiiiine weapon!    :lol :lol
 
Here we go a long winded answer to your question. I have 50 years of experience shooting from hunting, combat, competition, and everything in-between. While your question is not a dumb question, it is rather naive. There is no easy answer since the answer can vary. Which one is better? Neither or either.
I love my Glocks but its mainly because they are to the handgun world what a at-15 is to the rifle world.
My favorite are the G19 and the G30 for alternative carry and home defense. My G20/21 also make for some great fun guns and even can double as comp guns.
With that said, as to my Walthers, the only one I really enjoy shooting is my P-38. My PP and PPK only seem to like ball ammo and even they are kind of picky with the brand. The PPQ was horrid compared to the Glock. The PPS was also horrid compared to the Glock. I resold both of them. I guess the P-08s are really fun to shoot also.
Most enjoyable as far as automatics has got to be my 1911s. I have them setup for everything from carry, target to race guns, 9mm, 10mm, 45ACP, 38 super, and 38 wad cutter.
My Smith 52s are literal tack drivers. And I just love my S&W m25 for putting a lot of big lead downrange but the N frame is a lot heavier than the 1911.  
I really hate my Beretta 94. Next one to be sold or traded I guess. And the 40 S&W has got to be my less favorite round ever.
For minimal carry I either go with the M&P BG 380 (with trigger and spring mods) to my air weight J frame Smith.
Next step up in carry I got with the G30, Colt Commander, Smith m10 2" or m19 2.5".
And ridiculous carry would have to be the G20/21, GC 1911, S&W 19 with 4" barrel.
Notice I never carry a 9mm. The 38 special and 380 have come a long way as defensive carry rounds and the 45acp is worth loosing a couple rounds for. The biggest issue I think with 9mm is having to use hearing protection always. Out in the real world anything supersonic will hurt you without protection and I'm never gonna ask someone to kindly stop shooting while I put in ear plugs.
I love my K frame wheel guns. Very versatile and what I normally recommend for 1st time shooters. For 1st time carry guns I recommend the J frame smith. (Although the Colt is also nice and has 6 shots.) Wheel guns are great for weak handed or inexperienced people. Thumb the hammer back and you got one light trigger that's accurate as hell. For first time carry autos I usually recommend the g43 or g19 even though I don't carry a 9mm myself. I usually mod all Glocks with just under a 4lb trigger and extended take down and mag releases. For that matter, I believe everything I have modified everything to between 3.5 and 4 lbs trigger. But that's just personal preference. My go to house gun is either the G21 with 13 or 30 round mag or GC 1911 both with a laser and flashlight combo.
SHTF, I'm grabbing my G30 and AR-15 with as much ammo as I can carry. If I'm going to a match, it all depends on what kind of match it is. I'd look pretty silly showing up at a combat style match with my 12" scoped magnum. Likewise I'd be pretty silly to think I can hit a target at 100 yards with my mouse gun.
I can't even guess at how many guns I've bought and sold, liked and disliked. What I said previously, the gun has to suit your use and experience level. I question anyone that claims one is better than another without considering the use and the person. Last person I trained for self defense was a 85 year old minister, we settled on a J frame air weight with wad cutters or low recoil Hornady hollow points. He can't shoot double action but he had enough hand strength to pull back the hammer and control the low recoil. Most versatile ammo ever is the 38 special. You can go from low recoil to +P with the same gun. I prefer big stupid bullets but controlling recoil and the weapon trumps the caliper. Wheels guns with speed loaders can be faster than a automatic putting the same amount of lead downrange.
Before buying any gun I recommend you buy "Principals of Self Defense" by Jeff Cooper. It was written almost 50 years ago but the concepts of self defense haven't changed, just the weapons have.
"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
If you want to add more about how experienced you are and your usage then maybe it becomes easier to recommend a particular gun. You can't make a value decision based on no information. While I think the Glock is the most reliable and rugged on the market unless you are skilled in the finer points of handling that gun it may not be the best choice. No hammer, no external safety, no easy loaded indicator, lack of slide seriations, etc. Not exactly what I'd recommend for a first time shooter. And the lack of those safety features are not a problem for experienced shooters or for those that have been properly trained. On the other hand, my Glocks are abused, never cleaned, and have never failed to go bang.
If I could only have one gun, its gonna be the Glock 30. Hope that answers your question.





 
Silversurfer said:
James Bond uses a Walther so they are obviously better.

James Bond also drives Aston Martins, so reliability obviously isn't something he puts a lot of consideration into!
 
zimm said:
James Bond carries a Walther.  End of discussion.
Yea a PPK version which was never available for sale in the US and it was a 32 ACP. How lame is that? Same gun Hitler shot himself with.
I do have a couple early PP in both 32acp and 380. Good guns if you keep them super clean and only use FMJ. PPK is just a shorter version of the PP.
The S&W PPK/s was a little bit more reliable but not much.
For some of his early books/films he also used a Beretta 418 in 25 ACP. Super lame. I have the 380 version that replaced the 418 and its a horrid gun.
It wasn't till the later ones he used a P99 but that wasn't Ian Fleming original Bond. I did have the S&W version SW99 for a while but I preferred the Glock.
 
I don't know if anyone here can help me with this, but I figured I ask. I am getting ready to build out my first AR. I already have the lower receiver (10 and 15) and wonder if anyone has any advice on build out. What parts should I use? How much should it cost? Stuff like that. This seems to be handguns only and I think everyone agrees that Glock is the best so we can move on. Rifles!


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zuke said:
Silversurfer said:
James Bond uses a Walther so they are obviously better.

James Bond also drives Aston Martins, so reliability obviously isn't something he puts a lot of consideration into!

In all fairness, Bond probably did not match the front and rear brake compunds, making it unreliable...
 
Supertayt said:
I don't know if anyone here can help me with this, but I figured I ask. I am getting ready to build out my first AR. I already have the lower receiver (10 and 15) and wonder if anyone has any advice on build out. What parts should I use? How much should it cost? Stuff like that. This seems to be handguns only and I think everyone agrees that Glock is the best so we can move on. Rifles!


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I'd start a seperate thread on this. I'm getting ready to start on it myself. Hoping to get a 10 receiver by the end of the year!
 
Silversurfer said:
zuke said:
Silversurfer said:
James Bond uses a Walther so they are obviously better.

James Bond also drives Aston Martins, so reliability obviously isn't something he puts a lot of consideration into!

In all fairness, Bond probably did not match the front and rear brake compunds, making it unreliable...

:fp
 
JK_HVGC said:
zimm said:
Walthers are junk. That's why I have a Smith & wesson m&p 22.
I bought a walther, went and shot it, immediately sold it and bought a s&w shield

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I like the Shield. Never owned one but have shot them. Wasn't overly impressed. I guess I expected better out of S&W. It just didn't want me to replace my Glock. Might be a good choice if I wasn't so use to what I have. It just wasn't an improvement over my Glock.

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So if the glock is better than hi-point, and the hi-point is way better than walther, where does the shield fit in. Has to be better than walther , right?
 
all4jpn said:
So if the glock is better than hi-point, and the hi-point is way better than walther, where does the shield fit in. Has to be better than walther , right?

I actually hated my buddies shield in .40 but love the 43 in 9mm
 
The Walther PPQ has the best stock trigger on the market. That's not just my opinion. That's the opinion of most people out there that have significant trigger time with it. I've got a Glock 17, which is ok. I'm planning on modding it to compete with in the future. But I've got 2 PPQs in 9mm and a PPQ 45. I love them all. The PPQ 45 is a bit snappy because it's light weight and packing 45 punch with a 4.5 inch barrel, but the 9s are super easy to shoot. They're a good gun to let a new shooter use and build confidence with. And that trigger breaks like a glass rod. Love it. You can get an Agency Arms trigger for the Glock but it's $160, last time I checked.
 
mlm_cherokeekl said:
The Walther PPQ has the best stock trigger on the market. That's not just my opinion. That's the opinion of most people out there that have significant trigger time with it. I've got a Glock 17, which is ok. I'm planning on modding it to compete with in the future. But I've got 2 PPQs in 9mm and a PPQ 45. I love them all. The PPQ 45 is a bit snappy because it's light weight and packing 45 punch with a 4.5 inch barrel, but the 9s are super easy to shoot. They're a good gun to let a new shooter use and build confidence with. And that trigger breaks like a glass rod. Love it. You can get an Agency Arms trigger for the Glock but it's $160, last time I checked.
Oh wow! I may have to give the Walthers a second look. I didn't realize the Walthers triggers were better than my high end 1911's and Sigs.
 
If it helps at all I didn't really love the Gen 4 Glock 19. It was a solid gun, reliable, decent trigger, yadda yadda yadda. I ended up getting a 3.8 Springfield XDM compact and absolutely love it, even in comparison to the Glock. With that being said, right now I am considering downsizing to a single stack and after shooting around a bit i'm thinking about going with the PPS M2 if I can get a good trade/sale on the XDM. If I had the money for both i'd definitely hang on to the XDM, but since I don't right now it's just not likely. I will stress that I love it so much that i'd even go as far to say that I will own another in due time (assuming I get the PPS M2). As far as the shield goes, it's really just a solid gun for the price point...personally I'm not fan of any other aspects of it. I'd easily go Glock again before even considering going down that road.

At the end of the day there will be fanboys for any and every gun, but it all boils down to personal preferences. The only way to know what you'll like best is to get out and shoot them.
 
Definitely agree with going the Springfield route. I loved the way it shot when I rented one but I wasn't a fan of the fat checkering. The Walther PPS M2 is awesome! Especially the new LE model with the tritium night sights. Bout time they followed the market demand.
I'm a bit of an FN Fanboy, but the new FN 509 that they put out this year is a great option. It's roughly the size of a Glock 19, and it's got a pretty nice trigger. The trigger safety is similar to the Smith & Wesson but it's got a better break to it. And Apex Technologies is producing a trigger for it if you wanted a better aftermarket option or wanted to compete with it. It's definitely a step up from the FNS series of striker fired pistols. If you haven't shot one, find a place that rents them. It's pretty nice! And if I'm not mistaken, FN handguns and shotguns are manufactured here in Virginia, if you care about supporting local industry!
 
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