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Title: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: dave2002ti on December 17, 2019, 04:50:19 PM
Gov Blackface is proposing to do away with the annual safety inspections.  Interesting but with some of the vehicles I have seen on the road registered in VA a return to having to get inspected every 6 months might be a good idea.
Let see take away our Second Amendment rights and in return we get no safety inspections. Great move Dems. Cant wait for 2021.

Dave Apker
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: zuke on December 17, 2019, 05:10:09 PM
Gov Blackface is proposing to do away with the annual safety inspections.  Interesting but with some of the vehicles I have seen on the road registered in VA a return to having to get inspected every 6 months might be a good idea.
Let see take away our Second Amendment rights and in return we get no safety inspections. Great move Dems. Cant wait for 2021.

Dave Apker

Yeah, Definitely don't want to see safety inspections go away, but I'm seeing the independent inspectors getting squeezed out to where only the tire shops will be able to do inspections, and then it becomes a racket where they will find SOMETHING that they can charge you to repair.
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: wbsjp on December 18, 2019, 03:43:11 PM
Gov Blackface is proposing to do away with the annual safety inspections.  Interesting but with some of the vehicles I have seen on the road registered in VA a return to having to get inspected every 6 months might be a good idea.
Let see take away our Second Amendment rights and in return we get no safety inspections. Great move Dems. Cant wait for 2021.

Dave Apker

Yeah, Definitely don't want to see safety inspections go away, but I'm seeing the independent inspectors getting squeezed out to where only the tire shops will be able to do inspections, and then it becomes a racket where they will find SOMETHING that they can charge you to repair.

You don't have to have it repaired where you have it inspected.

What is the hourly rate at the shop where you go ?NoVa area probably $100+ per hr,
So the inspection ties up a bay for at least 40 min, all for $20 out of your pocket, while the shop owner doesn't get all of that.So that is a loss to the owner of ,say$60 per man hr on your inspection.And the shop has to have a dedicated computer and printer tied to the DMV so he can print your inspection paper,And its timed so a station/operator can only do so many a day.
 Most garages do it as a curtesy for their regular customers, customers who do more than just get one inspection a year.
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: zuke on December 19, 2019, 07:23:39 AM
You don't have to have it repaired where you have it inspected.

What is the hourly rate at the shop where you go ?NoVa area probably $100+ per hr,
So the inspection ties up a bay for at least 40 min, all for $20 out of your pocket, while the shop owner doesn't get all of that.So that is a loss to the owner of ,say$60 per man hr on your inspection.And the shop has to have a dedicated computer and printer tied to the DMV so he can print your inspection paper,And its timed so a station/operator can only do so many a day.
 Most garages do it as a curtesy for their regular customers, customers who do more than just get one inspection a year.

But the garages that do it as a courtesy are finding it harder to keep an inspector. I have two such shops in the same complex as mine that I have good relationships with, Both have lost the ability to inspect, One because the rules now say you have to have at least one full time inspector, and the owner has retired/gone part time, and the other had his suspended for six months, and will likely not renew it because it doesn't really benefit him to have it. About the only places left doing it as a courtesy are dealerships, and walk ins to a dealership take a lot of time.

That leaves places like tire stores, and they don't do inspections for the sake of doing inspections, they do it to bring in other business, because just doing inspections, as you note, is a losing proposition. I've tried building a relationship with the two tire shops near my shop, but the turn over of people in those places is to great for that.

Of course you can take your Jeep somewhere else for a needed repair, or do it yourself, (That's what I, and I'd imagine a large percentage of the folks on here, do) if it fails, But now you have to make two trips to a shop that really isn't gonna like you now, because you've wasted an hour and a half of their time for less than $10. As much as possible, I try to get something done at the same time as I get an inspection, but the only thing I'm going to do at these places now is get an alignment or buy tires, and I'm not doing that to every car I own every year.

Our time is valuable too, and you generally can only get inspections during Banker's hours, so now when the shop that doesn't like you finds a problem you have to go there twice, during the hours you probably work....

I still think inspections are a good thing, but I think the program that manages them in Virginia definitely needs work.
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: mopar31898 on December 19, 2019, 01:55:03 PM
I find this discussion very interesting with a lot of good points you guys are making.  I grew up and lived my whole adult life in states without safety inspections so when I moved here a few years ago, it was all new to me.

Did most of you guys grow up here, or in places that require safety inspections? 
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: zuke on December 19, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
Did most of you guys grow up here, or in places that require safety inspections? 

I've lived all over the place, Grew up in PA, but left there in 82 I've lived in states with and without inspection, Pennsylvania's inspections were pretty corrupted when I left there, everyone 'knew' somebody who would sell them a sticker. Ohio didn't have any state inspection when I was there, and it showed in some of the downright dangerous stuff that was on the roads at the time...

In the states you lived in, were there a lot of junkers on the road? If not, what was the state doing to alleviate it/keep junk off the road?
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: RFH_98TJ on December 19, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
I grew up here and remember the bi-annual 6 month inspections.  I can't recall if emissions was done during the time when we had the dual inspections or not.  It seemed like you were always getting inspections or waiting in line at the DMV to renew.  Tags were only one year too, and online did not exist yet.  What a hassle, especially if you owned a few cars and motorcycles.
Title: Re: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: mopar31898 on December 20, 2019, 09:22:11 AM
Did most of you guys grow up here, or in places that require safety inspections? 

I've lived all over the place, Grew up in PA, but left there in 82 I've lived in states with and without inspection, Pennsylvania's inspections were pretty corrupted when I left there, everyone 'knew' somebody who would sell them a sticker. Ohio didn't have any state inspection when I was there, and it showed in some of the downright dangerous stuff that was on the roads at the time...

In the states you lived in, were there a lot of junkers on the road? If not, what was the state doing to alleviate it/keep junk off the road?
I grew up and went to college in Indiana which had zero safety inspections or emissions. I then lived in Chicago for 8 years before moving here. They had emissions but it was free at a state facility and no inspections.

To be honest, I don't remember a whole lot of junkers on the road in Indiana. The state did nothing to stop it other than police pulling people over of they vehicle appeared to be unsafe, and that meant the car was literally falling apart on the road. My best guess is that most people had to keep their cars a little better maintained there because in northern Indiana, your car had to be safe and reliable for winter because winter was way worse there than we get here in VA. So maybe the weather was a natural safety inspection. I actually see more unsafe cars driving on the beltway with Maryland tags than I ever saw in Indiana or Illinois. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a car with four bald tires, a cracked windshield and the bumper falling off fly by me with Maryland tags.

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Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: R3 on December 20, 2019, 09:29:44 AM
 Mary land inspections are  interesting . When you buy the vehicle they  inspect every inch and you have something to repair.... after that  just emissions and if you are in ST Mary's county  you don't even have that.  if you never sell you vehicle it never gets inspected... I have seen lots of junk on the road.

Lived in states with inspection requirements.... with new /newer vehicles  no issue with older, it becomes a battle of wills with the inspector and a rule book.

Inspection or no, it really doesn't matter a hill of beans, the state is giving up millions  in revenue.... lower  PP tax is another draw on state income.... with the billions  planned to be spent  in 2020 the state is going to have to get revenue from someplace,  Proposed gas tax, Tobacco, and income..... stand by it is about to get real expensive here.
Title: Re: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: zuke on December 20, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
I grew up and went to college in Indiana which had zero safety inspections or emissions. I then lived in Chicago for 8 years before moving here. They had emissions but it was free at a state facility and no inspections.

To be honest, I don't remember a whole lot of junkers on the road in Indiana. The state did nothing to stop it other than police pulling people over of they vehicle appeared to be unsafe, and that meant the car was literally falling apart on the road. My best guess is that most people had to keep their cars a little better maintained there because in northern Indiana, your car had to be safe and reliable for winter because winter was way worse there than we get here in VA. So maybe the weather was a natural safety inspection. I actually see more unsafe cars driving on the beltway with Maryland tags than I ever saw in Indiana or Illinois. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a car with four bald tires, a cracked windshield and the bumper falling off fly by me with Maryland tags.

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Ohio had pretty tough 'road side' inspections like that when I was there, But that only gets the stuff that's obvious... I hung out at the Hobby shop, and at a VW Service department a lot when I lived there, and the scary stuff that was on the road 'looked' fine, but had brake systems that had not had any attention since the car was new... Brake pads gone, rotor and drums literally rusted away, half the system with no fluid...

Those are the kind of things that can only be caught with a thorough state inspection...
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: Osiris on December 20, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
Maryland only has the initial inspection but troopers are much more strict now with pulling people over for violations afterwards
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections❔
Post by: unl1mtd on December 20, 2019, 10:53:13 AM
Maryland only has the initial inspection but troopers are much more strict now with pulling people over for violations afterwards

This was true to my experience. I got pulled over for a loud exhaust when I was sixteen. Had to have it inspected afterwards.
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections❔
Post by: cwkann on December 20, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
Maryland only has the initial inspection but troopers are much more strict now with pulling people over for violations afterwards

This was true to my experience. I got pulled over for a loud exhaust when I was sixteen. Had to have it inspected afterwards.

Yeah, we would write a ton of repair orders for vehicles in MD.  But we couldn't write them if they were from a different state obviously.  There were a few guys on the force that would just look for stuff and then go over the vehicle with a fine toothed comb.  I definitely believe inspections are necessary, what I don't like is how subjective it is between inspectors.  One passes you fine, and another one fails you before you even pull in.  Why peal the sticker??!!?? 
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections❔
Post by: dave2002ti on December 22, 2019, 08:29:21 AM


Yeah, we would write a ton of repair orders for vehicles in MD.  But we couldn't write them if they were from a different state obviously.  There were a few guys on the force that would just look for stuff and then go over the vehicle with a fine toothed comb.  I definitely believe inspections are necessary, what I don't like is how subjective it is between inspectors.  One passes you fine, and another one fails you before you even pull in.  Why peal the sticker??!!?? 
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Many years ago took my old 78 VW Rabbit for its state inspection at the Citgo in Burke.  Old geezer who inspected said I flunked cause the horn wasnt loud enough. Told him he was crazy and I would be back.Drove up the road to VA State Trooper barracks on Braddock Road and spoke to the trooper in charge of inspections. He said he was going back inside and he heard my horn from his office he would wave and call the Citgo.  He waved and I went back down to the Citgo and got my inspection sticker. Old geezer wasnt pleased and I suggested he might want to change the batteries on his hearing aids. Now he failed to notice the Euro spec 7" round headlights with 100watt bulbs and the Euro spec GTI engine. Used to be a place behind Marlo Furniture off Edsall Road that if you knew the right people would pass a car for a couple of cases of Miller Light.

Dave Apker
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: ///BHRpowered on December 22, 2019, 08:52:03 AM
Democrats are in office, inspections should be free and inspectors paid out of a state fund, just raise taxes to pay for it. That way you'll have no corruption right?

The courtesy inspections at dealerships are likely a 2-3 min "Yup the lights work" Tire shops are garbage and you should stay away from them. They go looking for quick and easy. Brakes, fluid changes etc
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: SLS TJ on December 22, 2019, 02:23:51 PM

 I have mixed feelings on the issue. I would love to get away from the inspections, but I know that I keep my vehicles maintained. I don't want to be killed or injured because some asshat is on bald tires with metal on metal brakes and ball joints about to pop out of socket. Don't want a rusted out exhaust flying off the car in front of me either! If they stop inspections, then road checks will become more important and time consuming.
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: dave2002ti on December 22, 2019, 05:36:02 PM

 I have mixed feelings on the issue. I would love to get away from the inspections, but I know that I keep my vehicles maintained. I don't want to be killed or injured because some asshat is on bald tires with metal on metal brakes and ball joints about to pop out of socket. Don't want a rusted out exhaust flying off the car in front of me either! If they stop inspections, then road checks will become more important and time consuming.

Road checks dont generate as much revenue as speed enforcement.  I want them to go back to safety inspections every 6 months.  Was behind JKU back a couple weeks with LEDs brake lights that when the driver had his foot on the brake pedal his brake lights just werent that much brighter than his taillights. And sorry motorcycles registed in VA should have a 80db noise limit for their exhausts except for Ducattis. Loud pipes dont safe lives when your driving todays vehicles. Nothing more annoying than an unmuffled V twin.

Dave Apker
Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: gravitywell on December 25, 2019, 11:47:47 AM
I've lived in Maryland, Tennessee and Virginia.

Maryland only had the initial inspection.

Tennessee had annual emissions checks and an annual wheel tax ($5 per wheel on the vehicle). Emissions stations were state owned and operated. You drove up, waited in line for your turn, they did the test, you paid your wheel tax and testing fee an you were on your way.

And, you all know the story with VA. I've had great luck with small shops nearby, as well as the dealership. I went to VA Tire and Auto and that was a mud monkey show.

Side ranting... VA is the only state I've had to pay annual taxes on my vehicles. And I still can't understand it.

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Title: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: dave2002ti on December 25, 2019, 04:33:58 PM
I've lived in Maryland, Tennessee and Virginia.

Maryland only had the initial inspection.

Tennessee had annual emissions checks and an annual wheel tax ($5 per wheel on the vehicle). Emissions stations were state owned and operated. You drove up, waited in line for your turn, they did the test, you paid your wheel tax and testing fee an you were on your way.

And, you all know the story with VA. I've had great luck with small shops nearby, as well as the dealership. I went to VA Tire and Auto and that was a mud monkey show.

Side ranting... VA is the only state I've had to pay annual taxes on my vehicles. And I still can't understand it.

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Compare the total tax burden for each state. Income taxes both state and local, property tax, other taxes like personal property tax, and the sales tax.  Now I ahve always worked with folks who lived in MD and they say we dont ahve a perosnal property tax yeah but you do ahve a county piggy back tax on your income.  Only thing now is homeowners in Fairfax County are getting screwed on their Federal income taxes when it comes to deductions. County needs to spread out the tax burden and stop screwing homeowners since we cant no longer deduct all the taxes we pay. A tax on rents would be a great source of funding and cutting the property tax rate will increasing the local sales tax would also be a good idea. Hell I buy my gas in Fauquier County usually so I dont give Fairfax County any extra money for public transportation.

Dave Apker
Title: Re: Re: Bye, Bye VA Annual Safety Inspections???
Post by: gravitywell on December 25, 2019, 04:52:33 PM
I've lived in Maryland, Tennessee and Virginia.

Maryland only had the initial inspection.

Tennessee had annual emissions checks and an annual wheel tax ($5 per wheel on the vehicle). Emissions stations were state owned and operated. You drove up, waited in line for your turn, they did the test, you paid your wheel tax and testing fee an you were on your way.

And, you all know the story with VA. I've had great luck with small shops nearby, as well as the dealership. I went to VA Tire and Auto and that was a mud monkey show.

Side ranting... VA is the only state I've had to pay annual taxes on my vehicles. And I still can't understand it.

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Compare the total tax burden for each state. Income taxes both state and local, property tax, other taxes like personal property tax, and the sales tax.  Now I ahve always worked with folks who lived in MD and they say we dont ahve a perosnal property tax yeah but you do ahve a county piggy back tax on your income.  Only thing now is homeowners in Fairfax County are getting screwed on their Federal income taxes when it comes to deductions. County needs to spread out the tax burden and stop screwing homeowners since we cant no longer deduct all the taxes we pay. A tax on rents would be a great source of funding and cutting the property tax rate will increasing the local sales tax would also be a good idea. Hell I buy my gas in Fauquier County usually so I dont give Fairfax County any extra money for public transportation.

Dave Apker
Tennessee had no state income tax. Sales tax was 9.25% when I left. Again, no PP tax.

I miss Tennessee. Lol

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